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[geminigirl]

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Apparently kinky sex, and consent=slavery and The Holocaust

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[melebeth]

I'm grinding my teeth. I have no coherent response to this.

[dindin.livejournal.com]

That's because something that incoherent cannot be answered coherently. Or at least without great difficulty.

Mostly you just sit there and go 0.o

[also-huey.livejournal.com]

The great thing about this story is that all sorts of otherwise bright people are sticking their foot in it.

[agent139.livejournal.com]

Hahah...

I see where the person was coming from in a way, but also clearly see the massive logical fallicy involved (some nazi officers may have derived sexual pleasure from things they forced on jews, therefor all S&M that occurs after that point is derived from it...?)

It's one of those cases where if some Xs are Ys, and some Ys are Zs, doesn't necessarily mean that any Zs are Xs.

[jennifer0246.livejournal.com]

yeahhhhhhhhhhh. it should be noted, that commenter was promptly banned and is currently being discussed in the FO ban announcement. there's been alot of shitstormin' in F_R lately - you can read some of it on cf_hardcore (which is a shitstorm in and of itself, much of the time).

[geminigirl]

It's the leap of logic that just defies belief. As much as I disagree, I can understand the people who call BDSM anti-feminist, but I just don't understand the leap between kink and Nazis.

[smillaraaq.livejournal.com]

Hmmmm. Perhaps she can't tell the difference between full leathers and a Gestapo uniform? Or maybe she thought "Ilsa, She-Wolf of the SS" was a documentary?

(Snark, snark.)

[koyote.livejournal.com]

part of bdsm is eroticising anti-semitism.

um.

and obviously sadism (entymology here, anyone? get it?) has much more to do with slavery and HITLER than... aristocrats in power struggles for their live. Or something.

sadopatriarchy?!?!

and DBSM could not exist without oppression of women or animals. Even most taoists would argue that.

what the hell?

[tisiphone.livejournal.com]

Uh, since when were early feminists abolitionists anyway? She's wrong from her very first point. (Not to mention, an utterly ridiculous string of arguments following on.)

[smillaraaq.livejournal.com]

Since when...well, how early do you want to go? There was more than a bit of overlap between the suffragists and abolitionists of the 1800s -- Lucretia Mott, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, the Grimke sisters, Lucy Stone, Martha Coffin Wright, and Susan B. Anthony, just to name a few, were all active in both movements. In many cases the second-class treatment these women received during their abolitionist activitism was a factor in inspiring them to advocate for women's rights as well. Admittedly there was something of a schism following the Civil War, with some continuing to work for black civil rights and others, like Anthony, insisting that female suffrage should be a higher priority. But in the earlier portion of the 1800s, at least, many of the luminaries of the American first wave were also abolitionists. And if that's not early enough for you, Mary Wollstonecraft was arguing against the slave trade in the late 1700s.

Which isn't to say that the original poster linked isn't grossly oversimplifying this association, and otherwise generally a few slices short of a sandwich, of course; but there are plenty of other nits in her argument that are more deserving of being picked than this one.

[studfucker.livejournal.com]

I infrequently have been asked to do a scene centered around anti-Semitism. I haven't yet, for the pratical reason I worry about slipping into a terrible faux-German accent. But yes, Jewish men have asked me for that angle, with trepidation and excitement in their hearts. I regularly partake in eroticisation of racism, and it makes my black sub very happy.

But this woman is still insane seeing causes and effects. I swear to you that if there had never been a Holocaust or slavery -- absurd notions anyway because she's basically stating as a premise that 'if humans weren't humans' -- there still would be BDSM. Just check any teenage boy's lockerroom.

[barking-iguana.livejournal.com]

So what do all those differently colored hankies in your icon mean?

[geminigirl]

Let me first say that they're not all my kinks, only some of them...I like the icon though, and I got it from thepozlife.

Purple-piercer/piercee
Grey-Bondage (though I've also seen it listed as "light s/m" in some places)
Light blue-oral sex
Yellow-golden showers
Black-heavy s/m
Red-fisting

More information about the hanky code here.

[barking-iguana.livejournal.com]

Some of those "uncommon" ones at the site are pretty funny, but I could see how they'd be sueful. The toothbrush is great. Thanks.

[geminigirl]

You're welcome. :)